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[elly427]

And I am bored this evening.

From nostalgia_lj




Fandom: one or many - One seriously with a couple in the background.

Fandom: tv shows, movies - Tv shows. Not enough character development in movies, generally.

Fandom: books - Eh. None I'm interested in enough to get involved in.

Fandom: comics, cartoons, anime - I'd like to but I don't know where to start. Comics, that is.

Fandom: boyband, RPF, RPS (aka real person fic, real person slash or real person smut) - No. I'm sorry, I just don't really get it. I'm not interested in boybands and RPF/Ss are just not my cup of tea. I generally get the impression a lot of actors in things I'm interested in tend to be asses, so there's the turn off right there. And I'm not in it for the actors so much as the characters, so RPF doesn't make sense for me personally. (And it squicks me out. Sorry.)

Conventions: yes, no, fan, pro - Never been, probably never will be, though they sound sort of fun.

Meta discussion - It's alllllll about the meta. Dude, why do you think I'm on lj?

Fanfiction: love/loathe, read, write - *snorfle*

Vids and vidding - It takes a lot to get me to watch a vid, that said, if I take the trouble to download, I usually like it. Not into vidding myself.

Photomanips - Eh. Sometimes a little scary, especially the NC-17 ones that I've seen reference to on samandjackNC17. That's . . . creepy.

Fan art - I'm including lj icons in here, so okay. I appriciate it if it has a use as a banner or wallpaper or what not. Doing hand drawings of my favorite characters? Well, aside from the amusing flame wars that begin, not generally my cup of tea. There's not a lot of it in SG fandom. Huh. Wonder why. Maybe I'm just missing it.

Mailing Lists - are all about no-mail. No-mail is my bestest friend ever.

Fanzines: read, buy, produce - Nope. Wouldn't know where to get one.

RPGs (aka role-playing games) - Not interested. The sock puppets that were around a while ago were amusing to read.

Gen, het, slash, other - Freakishly, gen is my least favorite of these three. That said I probably haven't read enough really good gen to appriciate it. But if it's well written and someone points me in its direction (or if I haven't read it first) then I'll read it no matter what the genre. But het is my preference. And I think it's funny that I read het and don't think of it as that - I'm more likely to refer to it as 'ship. Stupid sg-1 fandom, poisoning me forever!

Original characters, self-inserts, Mary Sues - OCs, when well written, are a really, really good thing and make me jealous as a writer. Self-inserts and Mary Sues, unless done intentionally as a joke, annoy the heck out of me and make me stop reading.

Fanon vs canon - Canon. Ohhhh, canon.

Fanfiction cliches (not fanon) - Amuse me so much. I *heart* them when reworked well, make me giggle when it appears the author's unaware it's a fic cliche. One cliche that pisses me off? Characters quoting a line from the show verbatim. Dude. In real life, how often do you and your friends quote chunks from a conversation you had a year ago? Exactly.

PWP, smut, kinks - Whohooo! Though as a certain list has shown, personal kinks and whatnot, ew and squick. Don't let me know it's a personal thing, mmkay?

Squicks - Badfic, couplating tongues, acts that are physically impossible, incest, rape, gratuitous torture/whumping even if it does lead to comfort sex, sex curing everything, (though I'm pretty much guilty of writing that one myself. Twice.)gross mischaracterization, excessive gore, multiple orgasms (like, four or five or more)and pregnancy (when out of character.)

SG-1 fic (a whole 'nother category of squicks): unecessarily weepy Sam, girly!Daniel, completely overlooking Teal'c, Sam-hate, Daniel-hate, the sexinator!, this list could go on forever, weepy Jack (when have we seen him cry?), Jack or Sam crying when they get together (with a couple of exceptions. Sometimes it's okay). I will stop now before I offend anyone else.

What "badfic" means to me - Please see "squicks." Addendum to that list, exclusively for 'badfic' definition: misspelled title, summary or author's notes.



ETA: (also from nostalgia_lj) There are 747 members of a "less Sam on Stargate SG-1" yahoo group. I want to be sick. Why are they watching the show if they can't stand one of the characters? Somedays I want out of this fandom.

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[jemster.livejournal.com]

There are 747 members of a "less Sam on Stargate SG-1" yahoo group. I want to be sick. Why are they watching the show if they can't stand one of the characters? Somedays I want out of this fandom.

Amen, sister! It makes me literally cringe when I hear a character being trashed. Oh, I'm not talking about dislike -- everyone has a character they're not fond of -- but come on...hate? It's just a TV show. I can understand passion, but once that passion becomes something darker you really need to re-evaluate the reason you watch and recognize the need to move on if necessary.

I've got it...why don't we start our own yahoo group called "less idiot people in Strargate Fandom". Wonder how many members will sign up. ;-)

[elly427.livejournal.com]

I have a whole post in my about this issue and most especially about Sam-hate but I don't have the fury in me at the moment to get it out like I want to. I will someday though.

What kills me, kills me is that Sam is a major charatcer. How can you *hate* her and still watch? Arghhh. I am almost without words. Ahsfkjashfl.

I've got it...why don't we start our own yahoo group called "less idiot people in Strargate Fandom". Wonder how many members will sign up.

What amuses me about this? We'd get people from both sides of the debate, I'd bet. Goddamn fandom.

[jemster.livejournal.com]

*hugs Elly*

[suzvoy.livejournal.com]

*hugs you*

[jemster.livejournal.com]

What amuses me about this? We'd get people from both sides of the debate, I'd bet.

And everyone will be convinced they are ones in the right. *sigh*

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

The hate thing... disturbs me, at times. I mean, I dislike Daniel, on many levels. But the boy grew on me (like a really creepy mold). Probably, it's all Jack and Sam's influence.

But. Hate? On the level where you're actively cheering they die.... Wait. Um.

But. Sam! Sam isn't hate-worthy! How can you hate Sam? She's so... chirpy! And cute. And sweet. And smirky. So. Smirky.

And I have completely lost my mind.

*hands over a Sam*

[lyssie.livejournal.com]

Of course, what's even sadder, is that Sam? Not really spammed at people. And part of it this season has been other circumstances (lack of Jack, for instance... Although. Dude. Jack, stuck on the Prometheus instead of Sam would have been... wrong. And wouldn't have worked. He hasn't the techie know-how--well, probably not)

Now, if they were complaining about Daniel...

...Sorry. My brain works in mysterious ways.

[isis6.livejournal.com]

Just an off topic point, elly, but with your colour choice I can't read your posts on either my monitor and home, or the one at work. It completely does my eyes in.

[splash-the-cat.livejournal.com]

Somedays I want out of this fandom

Just ask nanda if you can hide under her rock. We've got a nice little party going on under there.

[mylittleredgirl.livejournal.com]

I don't think I've ever wished for a character to *die,* although I'll have to go through and try to remember... although I *often* wish for them to get some sense beaten into them. Whether there's actual beating involved is secondary to the sense. Even characters that make me go "ARRRGHHH! Shut UP!" every time they say anything (I don't know that SG-1 has any of those) are kind of entertaining and great in that way!

I didn't really used to like Sam, I just liked her because Jack liked her. Now, of course, she's bewitched my muse who thinks she's the most adorable thing eeeeever. I still yell at my TV when she's being a brat in the early seasons, but even then I now find myself hearting her lots.

Insidious little thing, isn't she? :)

I can understand watching a show if you hate one of the main characters, but creating a whole yahoo group about it seems sort of... is there a word for this other than LAME? Pathological, maybe? Do they have unresolved issues with their mothers/sisters/that smart girl in grade 10 bio? Should we refer that whole newsgroup to counseling? When *I* say "you people need less freaking time on your hands", it's baaaad news!

[elly427.livejournal.com]

Aww. *cuddles up next to Suz*

[elly427.livejournal.com]

The hate thing... disturbs me, at times. I mean, I dislike Daniel, on many levels

Yes. Exactly. Daniel? Sometimes think he's an annoying little twerp with big eyebrows. Hate him? Don't really care that much. Usually watch the eps focused on him, don't begrudge him his storylines.

She's so... chirpy! And cute. And sweet. And smirky. So. Smirky

I think that may be their point. Hee. And in real life I think I'd not really like Sam. But dude, she's a fictional characters, and that chirpy perkiness? It is kinda cute within the confines of a tv show.

[elly427.livejournal.com]

I *often* wish for them to get some sense beaten into them. Whether there's actual beating involved is secondary to the sense. *snip* characters that make me go "ARRRGHHH! Shut UP!"

Yeah. I agree. I should say more but sometimes I want to smack fictional characters so bad . . . :)


I can understand watching a show if you hate one of the main characters, but creating a whole yahoo group about it seems sort of... is there a word for this other than LAME? Pathological, maybe? Do they have unresolved issues with their mothers/sisters/that smart girl in grade 10 bio?

I feel like maybe a lot of my annoyance towards this whole "We don't like Sam!" thing is me up on my feminist soapbox, getting rankled because she is a strong, smart, capable woman and everypne doesn't see the immediate value of it as a charcter archetype.I guess it just pisses me off that when we finally get great female characters in sci fi who aren't just T and A that people can't stand them.

And yes, I respect anyone who just doesn't like Sam. That's cool, and I appriciate that. What I just find so bizarre is that someone took the time to set up a yahoo group and that other people joined it. Dude. Seriously, that ain't right.

And I am ranty today.

[elly427.livejournal.com]

Oooo. Under a rock with *nanda*, eh? *waggles eyebrows*

[elly427.livejournal.com]

Hey, thanks for letting me know. I'll try to fix it in the next little bit. Sorry!

[mylittleredgirl.livejournal.com]

I like you ranty. I especially like it when your ranty moods coincide with my spammy moods!

Because Sam is insidious and has completely overwritten my brain, I want to scream "LOVE SAM! SAM IS GREAT! But pity her too because she's screwed up and needs loooooove." But I won't, and will just say that I agree about the need for strong chick role models. And if there were *more* of them, we'd be better able to pick and choose the character traits that we like. Sam wouldn't have to be labeled as an 'archetype.' She could just be the flawed, fallible, human character she is.

Or something. Bottom line: Sam's not perfect, though she tries reeeeeally really hard to be in a way that can be irritating. You're allowed not to like her. You're allowed to, like me, like her and be totally charmed by her and yet think that she's not perfect and a role model that should be taken with a grain of salt. But bringing a whole yahoo-group full of wrath down on her often-unfortunately-coiffed-yet-still-cute blonde head is just bizarre. What did she ever do to you, really, that you couldn't fix by *turning off your television*!?

I've got to tell you, my temptation to ask for the link to lurk there and see what on Earth they actually talk about is huge. I'd probably just end up pissed off and despondent about the state of humanity, but I *do* kind of wonder.

[splash-the-cat.livejournal.com]

*grins*