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[elly427]

I have a Stargate question that I'm hoping someone out there will know the answer to. I've checked a couple guides but no luck.

Okay. The Stargate. The DHD doesn't always work. I know this. If the DHD doesn't work, it will still receive a wormhole and they can still go through the Stargate, they just can't dial home, right?

Hmm. So. When the DHD hasn't worked in the past, what have they done other than have Sam fix it? What I think I'm ultimately wondering is how manual dialing works. I know they've done it (I can see Teal'c pushing the inner ring around in my mind) but have they used a secondary power source? I think they've used a naquadah (is that even spelled right? This fandom's so weird) generator in the past, so if the DHD is shot and they have no secondary power source, can they make the Stargate work?

In summary: what would it take to make SG-1 unable to make the Stargate work? (Other than y'know, burial by meteor shower or the likes.)

Thanks!

This is what happens when you come late to the fandom party.

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[lisayaeger.livejournal.com]

I really don't think I should be answering this question! But if the gate doesn't work, and you can't turn it (i.e. Teal'c), then aren't you screwed?

Yes, they can still receive a wormhole, but you can't go back through a wormhole that was originated somewhere else, right? Although I think they've done that at times, by mistake.

Oh, crap, I think that's more questions than answers. But I think burying it might be the answer-isn't that why Jack is so desparate in 100 Days, and why they tell their clones to bury the gate once they're gone?

I hope someone else answers this because now I want to know!

[nandamai]

Yes, we've seen them power it with the naquadah generator (in, uh, the one with Nyan and the cages ... blanking) and with Linnea's weird power source (also blanking on the name ... the one where they were on the prison planet and let the evil Linnea loose on the universe).

If they gated to a place where the DHD was dead beyond Sam's ability to repair, *and* they had no backup power source (and presumably the combined power of their zats and Teal'c's staff wouldn't be enough), they'd be fucked.

I read a really bad fanfic based on this premise recently ... mercifully I can't recall what it was.

[elly427.livejournal.com]

I am firmly convinced there are huge (HUGE) holes in our/TPTB's knowledge/canon about the Stargate. Don't ask don't tell? Mhmmm.

Yes, they can still receive a wormhole, but you can't go back through a wormhole that was originated somewhere else, right? Although I think they've done that at times, by mistake.

I'm pretty sure they have too. I was watching an episode with my sister (who is *not* a fan) and she was mocking them for making that mistake. I then mocked her for knowing they couldn't do that.

Oh, crap, I think that's more questions than answers.

hon, welcome to fandom.


But I think burying it might be the answer-isn't that why Jack is so desparate in 100 Days, and why they tell their clones to bury the gate once they're gone?

from my limited understanding, yes. They've kinda dealt with how to *get* the Gate to stop working, which is cool. I unfortunately need to know what happens when the gate stops on it's own.

I hope someone else answers this because now I want to know!

we may have a long wait. :)

Thanks for the questions and answers. They've got me thinking. :)

[elly427.livejournal.com]

An answer? Ohmigod! *dances around in a circle. Trips on laundry and sits back down.*


If they gated to a place where the DHD was dead beyond Sam's ability to repair, *and* they had no backup power source (and presumably the combined power of their zats and Teal'c's staff wouldn't be enough), they'd be fucked.

Okay. That's what I needed someone else to verify. Exxxxxcellent.

I read a really bad fanfic based on this premise recently ... mercifully I can't recall what it was.

I'm pretty sure I've read that one (though I'm sure there's more than one.)

This question *is* ultimately for a fic. Here's hoping it's not a bad one (I am treading very carefully on the ledge between reworking and indulging in fanon cliche.)

We'll see where it goes, I guess.

Thank you! :D

[anr]

They have also, in Small Victories, said that there is enough residual power left in a 'gate to do a manual dialout without an alternate power source or a DHD. I can't remember, however, if this was because the 'gate in question was taken from the SGC (and their 'gate is always hooked up to something) or its something all 'gates can do (the fact that they've used naquidah generators and Linnea's roots and lightning in other episodes suggests that they can't).

In Solitudes the 'gate wouldn't power up properly until Sam had "reset" the DHD. Excluding the fact that that 'gate didn't work then because she was dialling her own planet, that suggests that the massive "power surge" that occurred when Sam and Jack came through the 'gate initially "overloaded" their 'gate. If that were to happen again, and there was no DHD or working DHD around, they'd probably be screwed.

In The Fifth Race, Sam, Teal'c and two other flunkies went to a planet that had a broken DHD (which Sam was unable to fix). Jack, however, used the knowledge of the Ancients to draw up blueprints of a DHD so Sam could fix it. Based on that, (since Sam has no doubt now studied those plans to death) a DHD would almost have to be in pieces for it to be "unfixable" for SG1.

The SGC, however, does always check that there is a DHD in place before sending a team through. And after Jack's comment in The Torment Of Tantalus ("why didn't the MALP pick this up?" re the broken DHD), I'd hazard that no missions would be authorised unless the DHD looked whole or unless the planet looked safe enough to ok the time a manual dialing with alternate power source would involve.

So: disintegrated (on the inside) DHD, no alternate power source, and no residual energy. That'd pretty much leave them stranded.

Er... sorry about the rambling. I've been in this fandom waaaaaaaay too long. :)

[elly427.livejournal.com]

Okay. Wow. Duuude.

They have also, in Small Victories, said that there is enough residual power left in a 'gate to do a manual dialout without an alternate power source or a DHD.

Huh. That's . . . huh. Pretty much contrary to everything else. But still interesting. (and, I might add, a good excuse to go watch that episode again.)


In The Fifth Race, Sam, Teal'c and two other flunkies went to a planet that had a broken DHD (which Sam was unable to fix). Jack, however, used the knowledge of the Ancients to draw up blueprints of a DHD so Sam could fix it. Based on that, (since Sam has no doubt now studied those plans to death) a DHD would almost have to be in pieces for it to be "unfixable" for SG1.

That's what I figured. The DHD would have to be all but useless and they'd have to have no replacement parts, as it were. Hmma.


The SGC, however, does always check that there is a DHD in place before sending a team through.

Yeah, that was my understanding too. Good. Glad I'm on a somewhat similar page here.

So: disintegrated (on the inside) DHD, no alternate power source, and no residual energy. That'd pretty much leave them stranded.

I'm still wondering about the residual energy thing. Cause, hmm. How much energy? And, like nanda suggested, could they use that residual energy combined with what they've got on them in the way of weapons? (not that this is directly relevant to the fic, but it's interesting.)

Er... sorry about the rambling. I've been in this fandom waaaaaaaay too long. :)

I bow down in front of your massive amounts of Stargate knowledge, oh wise one. :)

Thanks so much! I think I've got a grip on some of what I need now. :)

[anr]

np, hon. Glad to be of service. :)