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Oh, show. *blubbers*
I feel like I don't have a lot to say, but I imagine once I get going that won't be true. I have been guilty of complaining that I felt like some of the last 10 eps were wasted. I didn't feel that way about this ep at all, but the story didn't feel rushed or squeezed to me either. I think I had to take on failth that they're going to wrap up a lot of plot lines subtly, bu still wrap them up - like Hoshi, and Racetrack and Skulls, and Tyrol. These are characters we've spent enough time with that we need some sort of closure. I don't know what I was expecting, but little moments like the shot of Hoshi in the crowd on the mission side or Tyrol in the cylon cell talking to Helo were really satisfying for me.
- I loved how there was no teaser, and how the credits ended without preview scenes. The theme is so much more mournful without the poundy drums.
- The lovely little shots that connected the ep - the water falling, the bird, lovely.
- Is Adama up for jury duty?
- Baby shower Laura! So pretty! Man. Mary is a gorgeous lady when they are not making her wear a bald cap and let her do her hair and makeup.
- Oh, Laura. For the first time in a long time I had a lot of sympathy for her. I understand why death isn't such a hard choice for her - we knew she had people waiting for her, but we didn't know it was everyone.
- Alright, who else thought that when her friend set her up with a younger man it was TOTALLY GOING TO BE LEE.
- The pond Laura wades into is located at my alma mater. The fountains are not normally there. Normally, you would not want to be sprayed by the water in that fountain. Also, it is home to a large school of koi.
- I wonder if Gaius' behaviour towards his father was what convinced Natazi to proceed with the cylon plan.
- It must have made the ending of the show even harder for the cast and crew to see the sets slowly dismantled.
- Why would Hotdog leave Hera and Athena's picture up? The only explanation I can come up with is he was leaving it for Helo. Still sort of broke my heart.
- Also, three generations of Olmoses! Well, excepting the baby. But sort of.
- Lee and Gauis HA. "Is that what this is about? does everything have to reduce to your personal feelings about Kara Thrace?" YES. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS, BSG.
- AND NO. It actually reduces to PapaAdama's personal feelings, but whatever, marriage.
- I assume Kara and Adama asked where Hera was, but then what of all of Kara's notes and the song? Did I miss something?
- "I know what you are. You're my daughter." Man. I found this hard to swallow, given all of Adama's actions lately. I just - I believe he believes it. I just think actions speak louder than words. I understand he's finally coming out of his fog where all he cares about is himself and Laura, but too little, too late for me maybe. I really hope he redeems himself.
- I might have actually clapped when Lee was the first to cross over the line.
- Lee! Back in uniform! How wrong did his hair look? I kind of want fic where Kara cuts it for him because OMG WRONG.
- In the continuing saga of "Lee and Kara: the relationship they are having off screen in all of their scenes together that we are missing: the 'in elly's head' version" at least we know they had to plan the upcoming op together.
Okay, I feel I have paid enough attention to the other aspects of the show that I can now devolve into cries of
BAAAAAAAAAAAAABY PILOTS. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABYPILOTS. OMG.
- I';m not going to lie, my heart was in my throat for the entire first part of the ep until they showed up because OMG BABYPILOTS WERE COMING. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
- IKEA NOTE: Kara is definitely cooking in an IKEA wok using IKEA utensils.
OH SHOW.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABYPILOTS.
- So, canon now says Kara definitely met Zak first. On one hand, I'm sort of sad to have their first meeting be canonized, but on the other hand how frigging nice to get some back story.
- How much did I love the flustered little first meeting at the doorway? Because Kara was all "OMG meeting my boyfriend's family ACK ACK ACK. ACK." And Lee was totally checking her out. ADORABLE.
- I'm maybe reading too much into one facial expression - Lee's face sort of drops after they do their "Lee-" "yeah, Lee" bit, like he maybe recognizes heror remembers her from some long ago, drunken one night stand.
- That was one elaborate bouquet Lee brought. Muffin! And wine! Nice work, Lee!
- Also, happy, giddy, giggly Kara. Man. MAN. These people were so unbroken before Zak died. Man.
- Funny - Lee is totally wearing his tags, and Kara definitely is not.
- I had to watch the scene three times before I was convinced Kara was saying "Zak" and not "Sam" when she was coming back down the stairs. I was confused. And maybe the only one.
- Lee! And his short hair! And his pilot jacket! Where were his aviator sunglasses, huh? LEE ADAMA = MAVERICK, Y/N? (Y)
- Man, pre-dead Zak Lee was apparently a fun guy. GAH, THERE IS SO MUCH FIC POTENTIAL THERE, GUYS.
- ZAK ADAMA. ZAK ADAMA, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I realize it may seem to the random reader of my fic that I am something of a Zak fangirl. I'm not, really, but I was really, really excited for this casting spoiler. Which maybe makes mea Zak fangirl. But not in a weird way.
- Tobias Mehler and Jamie don't look much alike but *handwave*
- And was the ring on Zak's pinky Kara's ring? Hmm.
- THE ADAMA BROTHERS, WHOOT. Man, the arms around each other's shoulders might have been my favorite moment of the ep. Hee! I must have an icon!
- Also, "girlfriend stealer." NICE. LEE ADAMA, LADY KILLER.
- Also, there's Zak's sense of inferiority. Man, I suspected that came into play back in the day.
- I like how Lee was concerned that Kara think well of him and not notice the way he COULD NOT KEEP HIS EYES OFF OF HER.
- I feel like we got a lot of Lee character info/development in this tiny scene. He was a very different man before his brother's death and before the mini.
-All right, where's the threesome fic?
- Lee coming into the apartment drunk and finding the bird: was that suposed to be his apartment? At first I thoght it was Kara and Zak's, but no staircase. And who is he daring? And why did I cringe through the entire thing? Oh, Lee. I guess this means we get more flashbacks in the next ep.
-He's daring Kara to kiss him, yes? Or do something crazy? He's just so happy and lose. And a girfriend stealer.
Form the shallow end:
- Reason I love my flist: someone will know the answer to this - did Jamie actually cut his hair for the flashback? Man, he looked so young with hair that short.
- Also, try as they might, Jamie still looked older than in the mini. And more built.
- (Am I crazy to remember Jamie saying once that he got the job and the producers told him to lose 20 pounds, and that was why he looked kind of gaunt in the mini? Maybe I made that up.)
- Thank you, Ron Moore and David Eick, for naked Michael Trucco in a tub. Yes. Good work, boys.
So. We're going to lose the Galactica to a black hole. It's sort of fitting, I suppose. If Stargate taught me anything it's that time moves differently inside a singularity, so she'll exisit for a long time yet.
As I said as the ep ended, I want the second half now. Oh show.
Er, and I didn't end up going to Portland, for those interested. Couldn't get work off. Bleurgh.
I feel like I don't have a lot to say, but I imagine once I get going that won't be true. I have been guilty of complaining that I felt like some of the last 10 eps were wasted. I didn't feel that way about this ep at all, but the story didn't feel rushed or squeezed to me either. I think I had to take on failth that they're going to wrap up a lot of plot lines subtly, bu still wrap them up - like Hoshi, and Racetrack and Skulls, and Tyrol. These are characters we've spent enough time with that we need some sort of closure. I don't know what I was expecting, but little moments like the shot of Hoshi in the crowd on the mission side or Tyrol in the cylon cell talking to Helo were really satisfying for me.
- I loved how there was no teaser, and how the credits ended without preview scenes. The theme is so much more mournful without the poundy drums.
- The lovely little shots that connected the ep - the water falling, the bird, lovely.
- Is Adama up for jury duty?
- Baby shower Laura! So pretty! Man. Mary is a gorgeous lady when they are not making her wear a bald cap and let her do her hair and makeup.
- Oh, Laura. For the first time in a long time I had a lot of sympathy for her. I understand why death isn't such a hard choice for her - we knew she had people waiting for her, but we didn't know it was everyone.
- Alright, who else thought that when her friend set her up with a younger man it was TOTALLY GOING TO BE LEE.
- The pond Laura wades into is located at my alma mater. The fountains are not normally there. Normally, you would not want to be sprayed by the water in that fountain. Also, it is home to a large school of koi.
- I wonder if Gaius' behaviour towards his father was what convinced Natazi to proceed with the cylon plan.
- It must have made the ending of the show even harder for the cast and crew to see the sets slowly dismantled.
- Why would Hotdog leave Hera and Athena's picture up? The only explanation I can come up with is he was leaving it for Helo. Still sort of broke my heart.
- Also, three generations of Olmoses! Well, excepting the baby. But sort of.
- Lee and Gauis HA. "Is that what this is about? does everything have to reduce to your personal feelings about Kara Thrace?" YES. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS, BSG.
- AND NO. It actually reduces to PapaAdama's personal feelings, but whatever, marriage.
- I assume Kara and Adama asked where Hera was, but then what of all of Kara's notes and the song? Did I miss something?
- "I know what you are. You're my daughter." Man. I found this hard to swallow, given all of Adama's actions lately. I just - I believe he believes it. I just think actions speak louder than words. I understand he's finally coming out of his fog where all he cares about is himself and Laura, but too little, too late for me maybe. I really hope he redeems himself.
- I might have actually clapped when Lee was the first to cross over the line.
- Lee! Back in uniform! How wrong did his hair look? I kind of want fic where Kara cuts it for him because OMG WRONG.
- In the continuing saga of "Lee and Kara: the relationship they are having off screen in all of their scenes together that we are missing: the 'in elly's head' version" at least we know they had to plan the upcoming op together.
Okay, I feel I have paid enough attention to the other aspects of the show that I can now devolve into cries of
BAAAAAAAAAAAAABY PILOTS. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABYPILOTS. OMG.
- I';m not going to lie, my heart was in my throat for the entire first part of the ep until they showed up because OMG BABYPILOTS WERE COMING. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
- IKEA NOTE: Kara is definitely cooking in an IKEA wok using IKEA utensils.
OH SHOW.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABYPILOTS.
- So, canon now says Kara definitely met Zak first. On one hand, I'm sort of sad to have their first meeting be canonized, but on the other hand how frigging nice to get some back story.
- How much did I love the flustered little first meeting at the doorway? Because Kara was all "OMG meeting my boyfriend's family ACK ACK ACK. ACK." And Lee was totally checking her out. ADORABLE.
- I'm maybe reading too much into one facial expression - Lee's face sort of drops after they do their "Lee-" "yeah, Lee" bit, like he maybe recognizes her
- That was one elaborate bouquet Lee brought. Muffin! And wine! Nice work, Lee!
- Also, happy, giddy, giggly Kara. Man. MAN. These people were so unbroken before Zak died. Man.
- Funny - Lee is totally wearing his tags, and Kara definitely is not.
- I had to watch the scene three times before I was convinced Kara was saying "Zak" and not "Sam" when she was coming back down the stairs. I was confused. And maybe the only one.
- Lee! And his short hair! And his pilot jacket! Where were his aviator sunglasses, huh? LEE ADAMA = MAVERICK, Y/N? (Y)
- Man, pre-dead Zak Lee was apparently a fun guy. GAH, THERE IS SO MUCH FIC POTENTIAL THERE, GUYS.
- ZAK ADAMA. ZAK ADAMA, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I realize it may seem to the random reader of my fic that I am something of a Zak fangirl. I'm not, really, but I was really, really excited for this casting spoiler. Which maybe makes mea Zak fangirl. But not in a weird way.
- Tobias Mehler and Jamie don't look much alike but *handwave*
- And was the ring on Zak's pinky Kara's ring? Hmm.
- THE ADAMA BROTHERS, WHOOT. Man, the arms around each other's shoulders might have been my favorite moment of the ep. Hee! I must have an icon!
- Also, "girlfriend stealer." NICE. LEE ADAMA, LADY KILLER.
- Also, there's Zak's sense of inferiority. Man, I suspected that came into play back in the day.
- I like how Lee was concerned that Kara think well of him and not notice the way he COULD NOT KEEP HIS EYES OFF OF HER.
- I feel like we got a lot of Lee character info/development in this tiny scene. He was a very different man before his brother's death and before the mini.
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- Lee coming into the apartment drunk and finding the bird: was that suposed to be his apartment? At first I thoght it was Kara and Zak's, but no staircase. And who is he daring? And why did I cringe through the entire thing? Oh, Lee. I guess this means we get more flashbacks in the next ep.
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Form the shallow end:
- Reason I love my flist: someone will know the answer to this - did Jamie actually cut his hair for the flashback? Man, he looked so young with hair that short.
- Also, try as they might, Jamie still looked older than in the mini. And more built.
- (Am I crazy to remember Jamie saying once that he got the job and the producers told him to lose 20 pounds, and that was why he looked kind of gaunt in the mini? Maybe I made that up.)
- Thank you, Ron Moore and David Eick, for naked Michael Trucco in a tub. Yes. Good work, boys.
So. We're going to lose the Galactica to a black hole. It's sort of fitting, I suppose. If Stargate taught me anything it's that time moves differently inside a singularity, so she'll exisit for a long time yet.
As I said as the ep ended, I want the second half now. Oh show.
Er, and I didn't end up going to Portland, for those interested. Couldn't get work off. Bleurgh.
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Much hotter than in AoC. I actually thought he looked a lot more like Lee here with his skinnier face and better hair. Lee's hair on the other hand (not in the flashbacks but present-day) OOF!
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Ladykiller, sloppydrunk Lee was hysterical. I didn't get the bird thing at all.
Way too little, too late with Adama. Pfff.
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TOTALLY HOT. I mean, HELLO, ZAKARY. I will say this for Kara: she has excellent taste in men.
(Did you read foxrayne's threesome fic today? Totally pimping that out. So hot!bad!wrong!
I have that tab open! I somehow missed it was threesome fic! OMG. I may have an . . . appriciation for Zak/Kara/Lee fic. Ahem.
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I had a huge kink to write a really explicit threesome earlier this week. So odd for me. But it was fun.
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I want this fic because OMG HOT.
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I think I had to take on failth that they're going to wrap up a lot of plot lines subtly, bu still wrap them up.
As I said last week, they really have wrapped up quite a lot in the past few weeks, but it HAS been so subtle, to the point where it felt like treading water.
The theme is so much more mournful without the poundy drums.
*sigh*
Alright, who else thought that when her friend set her up with a younger man it was TOTALLY GOING TO BE LEE.
I live in giddy anticipation of
The pond Laura wades into is located at my alma mater.
And I remember you taking me there! Whee! *hugs*
I wonder if Gaius' behaviour towards his father was what convinced Natazi to proceed with the cylon plan.
Ooh, interesting. I can easily see what you mean.
I kind of want fic where Kara cuts it for him because OMG WRONG.
This would be the cue for my weekly
naggingpolite suggestion that you should totally write this. Yes.Man, pre-dead Zak Lee was apparently a fun guy.
Interesting, so many other people have said that tonight, but I don't quite see it. There was something serious and almost cautious about his behavior, like he wasn't at all relaxed. (Well, until the bizarre drunkenness.) He felt completely like post-Mini Lee there, to me.
Did Jamie actually cut his hair for the flashback?
I wondered about that too. I have no idea. It's so short that it HAS to be cut. OTOH, apparently his hair remains longer in the promos for next week, and I think Jamie said that his last scenes to film were on the Galactica set, not the flashbacks. So, I have no idea. If it's a wig, then they did a damn good job with it.
So. We're going to lose the Galactica to a black hole. It's sort of fitting, I suppose. If Stargate taught me anything it's that time moves differently inside a singularity, so she'll exisit for a long time yet.
Ah, I did not know that. Hmm. While I'm sure the black hole would tear everything apart immediately, I kinda like the idea of them still living there together for ages to come, knowing death is imminent but still being together. Maybe I could write that and just handwave the science. :)
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This would be the cue for my weekly nagging polite suggestion that you should totally write this. Yes.
So polite! *g* I shall see what I can do.
Interesting, so many other people have said that tonight, but I don't quite see it. There was something serious and almost cautious about his behavior, like he wasn't at all relaxed. (Well, until the bizarre drunkenness.) He felt completely like post-Mini Lee there, to me.'
I can see your point - on rewatch with your comments in mind I can totally see what you mean. Maybe it's the combo of the flowers and the jacket and the joking (?) about girlfriend stealing - I don't know. He reminds me of the Lee from one of Elzed's fics, where Lee takes a job as a test pilot and spends his days drinking and whoring? To Elzed's credit, I suppose.
I wondered about that too. I have no idea. It's so short that it HAS to be cut.
Asta says below it was cut. I trust her to know. ;D
I kinda like the idea of them still living there together for ages to come, knowing death is imminent but still being together. Maybe I could write that and just handwave the science. :)
And I would like to read it!
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I love that this sentiment is all over my flist.
BABY PILOTS! I have to watch that scene again. And Zak! I'll fangirl him. And ship Kara/Zak.
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No, I caught that we never actually found out what the heck they learned from Sam on the second viewing. Next week, I guess?
"I know what you are. You're my daughter."
IMO, that was his apology for being a jerk. Because you know Adama never says or does anything in a simple way when he can make it mega-dramatic.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabies!
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I think I agree with you, but I still think he is a tool. Leave my Kara alooone! :)
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Is Di back yet? Oh dear.
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*hides in my spoiler-free cave*
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::raises hand::
And I may have fic ideas....
"I know what you are. You're my daughter." Man. I found this hard to swallow, given all of Adama's actions lately. I just - I believe he believes it. I just think actions speak louder than words.
WORD. We know he's like the worst parent ever. Or at least the worst to survive the attacks. And we're used to seeing him treat ALL his children shabbily. But I really wish there had been some build up to that declaration. He's either treated her like crap or ignored her since her return and I'm sure she had convinced herself that Adama viewed her differently and, because of that, no longer cared.
Also, "girlfriend stealer." NICE. LEE ADAMA, LADY KILLER.
Heh. I doubt Lee really stole Zak's girlfriends, but I suspect that Zak found more than a few women he was interested in, they took one look at Lee, and that was it. ;)
I feel like we got a lot of Lee character info/development in this tiny scene. He was a very different man before his brother's death and before the mini.
Hmmm. I didn't see him as different. Less angry and bitter, certainly, but he seemed very much like Lee in the mini series, so unsure of himself.
did Jamie actually cut his hair for the flashback? Man, he looked so young with hair that short.
Yes. I saw a picture of him hours after shooting was completed and his hair was short.
(Am I crazy to remember Jamie saying once that he got the job and the producers told him to lose 20 pounds, and that was why he looked kind of gaunt in the mini? Maybe I made that up.)
He was asked to lose ten pounds and slim down because they felt he was too bulky (?) to be a viper pilot. Of course, after the mini he returned to more of his normal physique.
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And I may have fic ideas....
I would TOTALLY read that.
But I really wish there had been some build up to that declaration. He's either treated her like crap or ignored her since her return and I'm sure she had convinced herself that Adama viewed her differently and, because of that, no longer cared.
I feel like he's been ignoring her since forever. I agree, I would have liked more build up.
Yes. I saw a picture of him hours after shooting was completed and his hair was short.
I totally knew you would know. Hee.
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I submit that that still counts as being firmly placed on the GIRLFRIEND-STEALING SPECTRUM.
But then perhaps I am biased because I have been giggling to myself about Lee Adama: Hofaced Girlfriend-Stealer for like two days. XD
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These people were so unbroken before Zak died. Man.
This totally got to me, too! They had so much HAPPY. *cryyyy*
LEE ADAMA = MAVERICK, Y/N? (Y)
Then Zak is like Goose. *MOAR CRYYYYYYING*
If there is any kissing to be had, with the daring/dbl daring, then I kind of want it to be Zak daring Lee/Kara to kiss. Even though that is AN INSANE RISK FOR ZAK TO BE TAKING. I am just the type that thinks Lee and Kara both loved Zak so much that they never would've done anything smoochy with each other at that time, even if drunk. So I don't want either of them making moves in these flashbacks (eyefrakking is TOTALLY FINE AND ENCOURAGED though) And that is why I want Zak to be the instigator. Yes.
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I KNOW. I was like, "Hey, there are things I thought happened - wait, no, that was fic." Oy.
LEE ADAMA = MAVERICK, Y/N? (Y)
Then Zak is like Goose. *MOAR CRYYYYYYING*
*CRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIES* Man, that is a wonderful, terrible analogy. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
So I don't want either of them making moves in these flashbacks (eyefrakking is TOTALLY FINE AND ENCOURAGED though) And that is why I want Zak to be the instigator. Yes.
YES. THERE SHOULD BE MORE SIBLING-DARED KISSING. YES.
Oh, drunk pigeon-chasing, Kara-kissing Lee.
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My mind stopped working after the Lee/Kara/Zak flashback, full of glee and giggling like an idiot in my living room.
Top Gun Viper pilots?! Hehehehe. I would have pegged Lee more as Iceman, but Maverick is equally as cool.
Have to admit, the pigeon scene I didn't get. I think I'll try to chase a pigeon next time I'm drunk. Maybe I'll get it then.
Noticed Zak's ring as well, I choose to think it is and if you stick Tobias Mehler between EJO and JB I can see the family resemblance.